T-Mobile’s HSPA+: the phantom network

In my ongoing struggle to achieve 4G speeds on my T-Mobile G2, I’ve found that the one speed-mitigating factor that I could not eliminate from my tests was the potential connection to a lesser network. It should be pretty easy to determine whether I’m connected via T-Mobile’s 2G, EDGE; the early 3G technology UMTS; T-Mobile’s standard 3G product, HSPA, or their blazing new upgraded network that will be marketed as 4G, HSPA+. But guess what; it isn’t easy to tell the difference–not for me, and not for the service reps and techs at T-Mobile.

When I first got my G2, I expected some confusion over at Magenta. After all, they were training employees on a hot new phone that was the first to fully support their HSPA+ network. Two major releases at once, in a single product. I mention this because it’s possible I was given bad information. But I don’t know that I was.

I made a number of phone calls to T-Mobile with the goal of finding out which network I was connected to, because I was seeing 3G speeds when I ran the SpeedTest app from the Android Market. 2-3Mbps down was the usual, which is what I was getting with my Nexus One (3G only) on T-Mobile. Was my G2 even utilizing HSPA+? Here’s what I was told by one customer service representative and two tech support agents: The icon used in the Android notification bar to indicate an HSPA connection (an “H” next to the signal strength bars) is also used to indicate an HSPA+ connection. “3G” is used to indicate a UMTS (early 3G technology) connection (on other devices; not G2). You can go into the network information screen within the Android settings and find out if you’re on UMTS or HSDPA, but the latter is used for both HSPA and HSPA+. This is what T-Mobile reps told me on several occasions. (If the info is incorrect, a comment would be greatly appreciated.) One tech told me: “The only way to tell the difference between an HSPA connection and an HSPA+ connection is the speeds you are getting.” According to this barometer, I was experiencing the HSPA network, no “+.”

I’ve had people tell me that they achieved 13Mbps down here in Charlotte, where I was stuck under 4Mbps, but I have yet to see any proof of this. It’s possible that the network isn’t fully functioning in my area, that it’s not performing at its full potential, or that I’ve never actually connected to HSPA+. Charlotte is (officially) covered, and I took that into account when I reviewed the G2, as I did when I sold the device. Super high speeds aren’t that important to me when mobile, but it is a key selling point of the device. If it’s not working, do I need the phone? It seems that the primary issue here–the one that must be resolved before serious troubleshooting can occur–is being able to determine if the HSPA+ network is even being used by the phone. A factory reset didn’t solve my problem, so I sold the phone and decided to wait until T-Mobile or HTC did something about the issue. I’m looking at what could be evidence of some action on their part.

Before the G2 was released, a member of xda-developers scanned a leaked software dump from the device and confirmed to me that there was no dedicated HSPA+ icon. I’ve never seen one in the wild, nor have I even heard of one. Today, a DroidDog reader sent me a photo of an advertizement in the November issue of WIRED magazine and there appeared to be an HSPA+ icon on one of the phones. I decided to go grab an issue. Check it out, Reddit style:









So there you have it: a couple of pixels that could indicate an update that delivers a dedicated HSPA+ icon, or evidence of a flaw in WIRED’s print process. I very much doubt a designer would add the “+” when pasting those screen grabs onto the G2 bodies. Is this post much ado about nothing? Possibly, but before I condemn HSPA+ in my current city I have to know that I’ve used it. As of this moment I can’t say that I have. My EVO tripled the download speeds of my G2 when I ran my tests but I’ve heard that the inverse is true of the same products in other cities. I’d like to know what I need to be reporting to T-Mobile, hopefully before their Galaxy Tab (with HSPA+ support) is released.

Thanks to Stephan for the WIRED tip!

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I meant Evo over the Epic, excuse me.

I had the G2 and sold it. I'm still with EVO. A LOT of people would think it was a silly move, but I'm really happy with my EVO. I also saw poor data speeds with the G2 in Charlotte. They weren't bad enough to disrupt daily use, but it's a selling point. My EVO was tripling my G2 download speeds. I also found that I just don't need a hardware keyboard these days. It would have to be darn nice to pull me away from what's available in terms of virtual keyboards. I have my eyes on the Merge/Lexikon because it looks amazing, including the kb, but I'm really happy with my EVO. It's not perfect, but what what phone is?

No, People thought I was silly to keep the Epic over the Evo, that's why I wanted your thoughts, because for me it goes beyond the specs, the Evo just feels like a complete phone it's one of the things I can't explain to the average Joe. When I had my Epic, I missed my Evo. Just wanted to know if I'd feel the same way with the G2, thanks for your feedback, I'm big on comparison's. I'm ready for Evo 2, I want that second gen snapdragon.

Here is my beef with T-Mobile calling their network 4G I went into T-Mobile today and I ran into something I take serious issue with. When the associate asked me for help I asked her when T-Mobile planned to build their LTE(true 4G)network. She responded with this answer. "Our's is already built and it's faster than Sprints.." So then I told her thanks and waited around for the next T-Mobile Associate to help me. I asked him the same question and he had the same response, which left me a little upset. Their associates are under the impression, and truly believe, that their 4G Network is already built. It bothers me that they are willing to mislead the average consumer(where for them, the associate is their only source of mobile network knowledge). Just flat out tell their associates it's a 4G network. So I sent a letter to my local T-Mobile store. I understand that T-Mobiles current HSPA+ speeds match Sprints WiMax speeds but I think of it like this. Let's say Dial up was our definition of 3G, and cable was 4G. T-Mobile only launched a firmware upgrade to max out their dial-up network to its maximum potential while Sprint's "cable" is in its most basic of forms so therefore the speeds are on par with one another. So T-mobile's HSPA+ network will never ever be able to hit the ITU's standard of 100 mbps down, while yes it's comparable to what todays "4G speeds are" in a year or two, when WiMax takes the leap from 802.16e to 802.16m it will in fact hit that 100 mbps down sweet spot. Same with LTE, when it first launches it will not have true 4G speeds but after it moves to LTE Advanced it will hit the ITU Standard of 4G. (THE IMPORTANT THING TO NOTE ABOUT THE EVO IS THAT WHENEVER WIMAX DOES MAKE THE JUMP TO 802.16m THE RADIO INSIDE OF IT WOULD BE ABLE TO RECEIVE 100 mbps DOWN, MAKING IT A TRUE 4G DEVICE), where the MyTouch will never be capable of these speeds). There leaves T-Mobile, it's HSPA+ network is at it's cap until they adopt one of these new technologies, so guess what. In a year or two When Sprint's Wimax and Verizon's LTE are actually 4G, where will that leave the T-Mobile customers who just locked into their 2-year contracts on T-Mobile, "Americas largest 4G Network". I know this was long-winded but I feel very strongly about a company that locks customers into a 2-year plan without evidence of actually attempting to create a 4G network. This might be worth an Android Central investigation of T-mobile sales reps, T-mobile is only advertising 4G speeds(based on sprints current 802.16e WiMax release) but it's associates believe that they truly have the 4G network. Here is a more technical Definition LTE and Wimax are 4G technologies but aren't up to 4G speeds(yet). The HSPA+ Network will never have 4g speeds nor does it have the technology to be called even an entry to 4G. While yes, Sprints wimax and Verizons LTE will not provide the ITU Standard of 4G speeds, the radios inside the EVO and whatever Verizon releases as 4G, will be capable of receiving the speeds of 4G. When the Wimax is updated to 802.16m and LTE makes the move to LTE Advanced they will meet the 100mbps down standard. The Evo is a 4g capable device even though it is not currently receiving the standard speeds set by the ITU for a 4G device. The reason T-Mobiles HSPA+ is "said" to be providing "4G like speeds" is Because people are under the impression that Sprints current release of Wimax(802.16e) is 4G and then comparing the speeds with T-Mobiles HSPA+ Network. Yes the Evo Will be able to receive the 4G speeds of Wimax 802.16m's network when its released through a simple software upgrade. (By the time its released you could argue that the Evo will be a very outdated device). Where the Mytouch 4G for example, will not ever be able to access true 4G speeds with it's current hardware because HSPA+ will never be able to acheive that magic 100 mbps standard set by the ITU. It really just comes down to semantics but technically Sprint, and soon Verizon, can call their networks 4G because they are 4G technologies. SEMANTICS and Marketing are what it really comes down to but just wanted to put this information out for anyone wondering so they can have it to reference! Just putting out the facts, take them with a grain of salt because it will be awhile before we really get those true 4G speeds from any of the networks. FYI LTE Advanced and Wimax 802.16m are slated for Q4 2011-Q3 2012(I expect some serious delays though).

Crazy bad speeds. I just checked my Vibrant which is only 3G and what did they say.... will take advantage of HSPA+ but is not a true HSPA+ device.... My speeds here in Portland Oregon is 5347 Down and 595 up. I would expect it to be better on the G2? I have achieved speeds as high as 6281 down in the last week. They had tower issues and had to make some adjustments so I have been checking a lot this week.

admjson.. its supposed to be said like this if you want to say it. "John, you're a LOSER. Who are you trying to 'puck out'(?)?

I couldn't have said it better myself.

John I have a quick thought from you, I've done three months of comparing epic vs evo and came to the same conclusion as you, I cant let the evo leave my side, but I have been keeping my eye on that G2 and since you seem to feel the same as I do about the Evo, how do you feel about the G2 Vs Evo? Is the G2 your new goto phone? Mytouch4G?

Thanks for the feedback, folks!

Its pretty sad and imo shady to not have that H+ or even 3G on the phone. Does it really take that much more coding to tell you what you are on? I wouldnt think so, but I hate programming, so I wouldnt know. Hopefully John, if you do decide to get it, the MyTouch 4G (hate that name btw, preferred the MTHD. like the nomenclature that the iphone 4 uses from people iphone4g) shows alot of promise from the reviews coming out, esp what i just watched from intomobile. maybe someone will develop an app, or possibly Tmobile is coming out with an update to be able to see that little + sign. Maybe with enough questioning and complaining across the country they will roll it out.

The T-Mobile HD2 didn't have an H icon to show when HSPA was active. Only with a custom ROM did you see the H.

T mobiles network sucks thats why, Wimax kills it true 4G that why you are experiencing higher download speeds.

When I talked to a t-mobile sales person, he said that the H is the HSPA+, 3G is 3G, and E is Edge.

Hey John I believe it was pretty slick wording in the press release but the galaxy tab will not be HSPA+ they just stated that it will benefit from the HSPA+ network. I will tell you I am in kansas city and covered in HSPA+ but my speeds defnitely vary because not all the towers are HSPA+ towers from what I was informed. When I pick up HSPA+ I get between 6-12mbps but usually never less than 3-4mbps. Thats on the web connect rocket and Ive also tested the G2 and new Mytouch 4G. So far you are absolutely right in there is no difference in the icon on the phones for 3g or HSPA+ they both show H but the webconnect software recently had a firmware update and gave me the H+ icon on the webconnect manager so I know when the rocket connects to HSPA+.

im gettin like 6-8 Mbps down i assumed that was on the HSPA+ network but ive never seen an H+. also even when im on UMTS it said H not 3G

Sorry, that was an error on my part. That scenario was for older phones, like the Nexus One. I added the correction.

Hey John i was wondering, did you ever replace your g2 b4 selling it? The unit could have been defective or maybe your sim is scratched up somewhat and is prohibiting maximum download and upload speeds. This is just speculation but I think its possible.

o ok...still kinda silly though on tmobiles part. i wonder if now thats its "4G" theyll update the G2 to display 4G instead of the H.

Great article as usual John

John your a LOSER who you tring to puck out

good article, i ran the same test as u did and i get 6180 download; 1649 upload (at home) and easily gotten over 6 mbps around school and in downtown (Houston), i asked as well and no there isnt known way of telling if your on HSPA+ or jus the 3G, but hopefully there is a update soon, crossing my fingers

Maybe your speed is being throttled.

Here is my highest speed in Northville, MI (Metro Detroit) http://www.speedtest.net/android/16848829.png 7.54 mb/s download .62 upload My other high speeds came from Tampa. It was around the 6-7 mb/s