Google’s Nexus 4 Has No LTE, Here’s Why

The Nexus 4 is a very impressive device with a high end spec list. But when it comes to connectivity, it tops out at HSPA+. There is no LTE chip in this bad boy, and Google has given us its reasoning. Whether it’s valid is up to you, dear readers. Read on.

Google wants to build one universal device to run on most networks. Of course, they’re limiting it to GSM, as CDMA devices can not come unlocked. This one phone will work on pretty much any GSM carrier, since its radio supports all kinds of bands for GSM and HSPA+. However, building LTE devices means having to build a special device for each network. This is costly without carrier financial support, and Google does not want anything to do with the carriers.

Also, consider this. AT&T has 77 markets with LTE in the US, and is the only GSM carrier with LTE. In Europe, EE plans to cover only 20 million people by the end of the year. Why build custom LTE phones for so few people? It is not cost effective.

If they wanted to build an LTE device for Verizon, they’d have to abide by Verizon’s rules (as they are using Verizon’s CDMA spectrum). This means very delayed updates, branding, bloatware, and everything the Nexus brand goes against.

Andy Rubin had also mentioned that LTE sucks battery life. Let me throw in my opinion. The HSPA+ Galaxy Nexus had subpar battery life for many people without LTE. Yet you see devices with the same chipsets getting better battery life. Maybe Google should be fixing their software before claiming hardware kills battery too fast. Yes, LTE drains battery, but manufacturers have made it work.

And in the end, this is a Nexus device. It’s less a consumer device and more a developer device. A device that’s carrier unlocked, bootloader unlocked, and made for as wide a reach as possible for as cheap a price as possible. LTE would have gone against that philosophy. Sure, the lack of LTE will displease a lot of people. But the Nexus line has its ways, and that’s how it will be. And changing that would be possible, but would have negative effects on it as a product for their target audience. But what do you guys think? Should it have launched with LTE? Or was the sacrifice of LTE worth it to achieve what the device represents? Tell us in the comments!

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NaramMoshe 5 pts

Damn well maybe next Nexus will have LTE if it comes out by next July. If not might as well get SGS4

1TallTXn 5 pts

I'm carrying a VZW LTE Gnex daily. Yes, I have LTE coverage at work. Sure, it's faster than VZW 3G, but Big Red is seriously throttling the speeds. I get an average of ~6mbps down and 4 up. What's the point of LTE if it's throttled to be no faster than HSPA+ "4G" from the other guys?And seriously, complaining about 45mbps (max) down? come on.  

mbcls 18 pts

google is talking like apple, think we all stupid! LTE is a FREQUENCY! why do you need permission from wireless carriers? 850/1900 3g HSPDA (works on ATT) is also a FREQUENCY! so why do nexus phones have 850/1900 3g HSPA if it needs carriers permission?

LTE using more battery?   not everybody is homeless!  just charge it more often or get an extra battery, STUPID!  that is  like saying SUV using too much gas and nobody want it, do  you know how stupid that sound?

Haloruler64 84 pts

 mbcls 1. Carriers own those frequencies, in the case of Verizon anyway. 2. Hardware to pick up all frequences doesn't exist. Has to be modified for each carrier, which is far too expensive when selling only unlocked devices. Hardware for quad band HSPSA+ exists. 3. "Charge it more often" is not a good philosophy for consumers. People are out doing things, working jobs that aren't desk jobs, battery life is extremely important. 4. People buy cars based on fuel economy. Prius? Yeah, it ain't so stupid. Calm down a bit, flaming in the comment section is unnecessary. Thank you.

mbcls 18 pts

 Haloruler64 "People buy cars based on fuel economy.  Prius?  Yeah, it ain't so stupid".

yeah, not everybody care about saving gas, otherwise they will be no SUV on the roads, and how many Prius or Hybrid cars do you see daily on the road?   like i said, if LTE doesnt last long enough for you, get an extra battery, STUPID!

Haloruler64 84 pts

 mbcls I live in San Francisco, approximately 50% of all cars are either Priuses or Corollas/Civics (with great fuel economy). Yeah not everyone cares, but most do really. It's important. Plus there are many reasons for leaving LTE out, you seem to be ignoring most. It isn't about the battery. Since other phones have LTE and good battery life. You're arguing the wrong issue.No removable back, no second battery. Now THAT you can call stupid.  

mbcls 18 pts

 Haloruler64 hey GENIUS. can you list the many reasonS for leaving LTE out?

Haloruler64 84 pts

 mbcls O_o I just wrote an entire article on it! You're the first person today to make me laugh out loud

TMOTECH 5 pts

 mbcls LTE is not a Frequency. It is a technology. LTE can be broadcast on any frequency you want. You do not need permission from the carriers to include the frequency bands in your phone. The only requirements from the FCC is that you do not interfere with licensed frequencies. All CDMA phones and GSM phones have the entire 1900 MHZ band on their chipsets. The network tell the handset what frequency to communicate with. So I although I understand your frustration, the premise of your argument  is completely flawed and therefore invalid. 

TheDark_Knight 77 pts

I agree with Google. If they wanted to release a $200 on contract they would have done the whole LTE thing, but that's not what Google wants. They want openness and quick updates. Now they don't need carrier's approval for that and they don't need a contract. If you want you could, in-a-way, get this free on contract or close to it. What you do is buy an iPhone on contract for $200 plus tax and upgrade fee = $300. Sell it for $700 on eBay or Craigslist, Make about $400. Buy this phone for $350 plus tax. Bam! Free on contract!

PatrickTaylor1 6 pts

having T-Mobile and this phone being priced so low LTE doesn't matter really

TheDark_Knight 77 pts

@PatrickTaylor1 Will this phone work on T-Mobile's HPSA+?

Haloruler64 84 pts

 PatrickTaylor1  TheDark_Knight Confirmed HSPA+ 42 for the T-Mo version!

PatrickTaylor1 6 pts

@Haloruler64 @TheDark_Knight I live in cali and I never seen higher than 12 so it is definitely worth it to get the unlocked google version

TMOTECH 5 pts

 TheDark_Knight  PatrickTaylor1 This Phone is being carried by T-Mobile as a premier launch partner and it has an HSPA+ 42 Mbps chipset. Not HSPA+21 as others are reporting. 

mars 7 pts

This is all about carriers.  The bottom line is Google can't release an LTE phone without giving in to carrier damands.  They don't want to do that, so they're saying no.  Good for them.  We all saw them get screwed by Verizon with the Galaxy Nexus, and nobody (except maybe Verizon) wants that again.

 

Go Google!  Keep releasing truly unlocked devices where I have the choice, and I get to decide, as far as it's technologically possible, where my device runs.  The demanding cell carriers are stifling innovation with their lock-down policies, their draconian contracts and their fragmented networks.  They are not being made to compete with each other, and we are paying the price.  Any hole I can help punch in that wall is something I am happy to do.  I am glad Google is giving me some of the tools to do it.

 

No, I do not need LTE... not at that price.

One3OneKing 11 pts

I think it's pretty clear with the pushing of Google Play the Nexus line is more of a consumer line than developer line. Google could have easily spec'd this thing out with some high price point. Instead they have hardware basically in line with today and a low entry price, I would say that this is a consumer line of products now.

Damn shame no LTE ... I'm too accustomed to LTE now and with such good hardware I think they slightly dropped the ball on this.  Sorry ... not accepting any excuses!  It is obvious they had to leave something out ... I would've left wireless charging out because that much less used than LTE.

DanielAyala1 9 pts

lte is nice but not everything. i rather have timely updates and no carrier bs!

JBLmobileG1 24 pts

While LTE is the latest and greatest of the cellular world, I agree with Google and their decision. LTE does drain battery quicker than HSPA+. It would be more cost effective leaving out LTE for now since it's still not standard on all cellular networks yet. Maybe on the next Nexus? I have Tmobile as my network provider and I am very pleased with just their HSPA± Network its plenty fast and the battery life is great.. I also use a Galaxy SIII.

Haloruler64 84 pts

 JBLmobileG1 Galaxy S III supports HSPA+ 42, however the Nexus 4 does not. It's HSPA+ 21 limited

JBLmobileG1 24 pts

@Haloruler64 well that's a bummer. You would think they would have had the best HSPA+ Radio if they didn't want to use LTE. I am sure it's still fast though regardless. I know the SIII supports 42Mbps but I never even come close to that. Of course with 21mbps you will probably only reach half that speed if your lucky. Maybe Google just feels anything faster on a phone isn't needed and If you want faster buy a tablet. Who really knows.

Haloruler64 84 pts

 JBLmobileG1  Haloruler64 HSPA+ 42 is an interesting thing, a lot like LTE. Very non-standard. Doesn't work without special modems. And 21 is quite fast, I have hit 12 mbit at times. 

andydrew2011 5 pts

 Haloruler64  JBLmobileG1 HSPA+ was confirmed.

AndyH_STi 5 pts

 Haloruler64  JBLmobileG1 I have read that the T-Mobile version of the Nexus 4 supports HSPA+ 42.

Haloruler64 84 pts

 AndyH_STi  JBLmobileG1 Source?

Haloruler64 84 pts

 AndyH_STi  JBLmobileG1 Interesting, even though they didn't source, I checked T-Mo's official statement and you're right. The T-Mo model will indeed support HSPA+ 42

Haloruler64 84 pts

 AndyH_STi  JBLmobileG1 Most likely anyway

JBLmobileG1 24 pts

@Haloruler64 @AndyH_STi Thats good to know. While I believe Tmobile is the only carrier that even supports that fast of HSPA+ in the US, at least they are utilizing what is out there. I Love my Galaxy SIII with it's 42Mbps HSPA+ and how it doesn't seem to affect the battery life much.

TMOTECH 5 pts

 Haloruler64  JBLmobileG1 No it is not. The Play store was not updated properly. Google and T-Mobile have bith confirmed that this device will have HSPA+42 chipsets. 

SkyPira 30 pts

im glad theres no lte yet. because if verizon's going to make the nexus name work under their own management, thats not good, and thats what making an lte nexus will do.

gdeadfan 10 pts

I think that's bull, there is no excuse for releasing a phone (that isn't crap) which doesn't have LTE at this point in time. Heck, even Apple figured out how.

Haloruler64 84 pts

 gdeadfan Yes, they have a variant for every carrier. This was achieved using financial help from the carriers. Which Google did not want to use. I agree to an extent, but there is a lot more to consider.

DanielAyala1 9 pts

 gdeadfan lte isnt everything! hspa+ is fast enough!

mbcls 18 pts

 DanielAyala1  gdeadfan sure, EDGE is fast enough too!  maybe google should make phones with 2g EDGE only cus 3G HSPA is using too much battery!